You can try doing what you want from your 20 fake accounts, cg is already warned about you....
You went first with someone who got his rep from idleing...also your reply is not good enough,it s a big chance that you won t get all the negatives removed.No admin will help you.
I understand your view but i not checked that the rep was from idleing :/ If what say is true, i will stop using steamtrades...
lupinwerwolf
(+343/-0)
+rep thanks for idle :)
TieuPhong
(+120/-1)
+Rep: Thanks for fast idle 24 games with 191 keys <3
CHEAPESTSELLER
(+358/-0)
+rep. trade went smooth.
http://store.steampowered.com/curator/32516565/ -----------------> FOLLOW
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/MyIndieWishlist -------------> JOIN
got free game
Justnvm
(+40/-0)
+rep really fast idle
you have way more rep than him, and you go first?
i will stop using steamtrades...
no buddy cares
but the community will help you to remove them all
"Traded my csgo keys for his GTA Complete Pack but got revoked after 1 week."
"He revoked payment for game Family Guy: Back to the Multiverse + dlc. Be careful when trading with this guy."
how could you revoke removed game XD
Don't worry man, you'll get those fake rep removed in no time. I already did my part of the job :)
Also did my job to help you out on the -reps, I know how shitty it is (my -rep is also for no reason aswell, hopefully it's also removed)
Good luck
you DID hijack that guy and you always do
I got the game first because you were slow
this is not a good reason especially you both make the same offer
good luck booth of you
Nope I did not, I just added that guy and asked what he wanted, I gave him what he wanted, and got what I was asked. I added the guy and he was active on steam, but not on steamtrades, and I got blamed for it.
Feel free to prove when I hijacked
Nope I did not, I just added that guy and asked what he wanted,
so, what is hijacking mean?
The definition of hijack is to take over something that doesn't belong to you such as a plane, ship, bus or other vehicle, to commandeer or to take over by force.
so you just added him, without wait that guy to reply you, and offered the same games he asked from another trader
and its not a hijack? GG , goodluck
dude I had snake pass in my list, and sent it over to the guy over steam chat, and he chose snake pass for anything. Also aren't you the guy that just low balls everyone and gets mad at them later? Way to scold someone
PS: I didn't take over something that doesn't belong to me. Heck, it doesn't even belong to who -repped me. I offered him my list and asked "what would you do for mark of the ninja/orcs must die/medal of honor/crysis 2?"
Some seconds later he said "I could do snake pass 1:1 for any of those"
Whatever it doesn't matter now, hijacking means I stole something, which I did not
He doesn't own the trade, and never will. If whoever has the game decided to trade with me instead of him, for whatever reason, it doesn't matter, because it's his decision. Now tell me, what did I hijack?
dude I had snake pass in my list, and sent it over to the guy over steam chat
do you add every one and offer your list, or offer your list then add the guy?
Also aren't you the guy that just low balls everyone and gets mad at them later?
yes i lowball, just like you do and almost everyone in this site do, but i never got mad of any of them
aren't you the guy that started with list full of freebies and put Darksouls3 in your want list?
ooh, its not lowballing, what about your secret list? ooh you dont hide anything
PS: I didn't take over something that doesn't belong to me. Heck, it doesn't even belong to who -repped me. I offered him my list and asked "what would you do for mark of the ninja/orcs must die/medal of honor/crysis 2?"
Some seconds later he said "I could do snake pass 1:1 for any of those"
stop lying to yourself, you may apologize to that guy and get your problem solved
Whatever it doesn't matter now, hijacking means I stole something, which I did not
you stole his deal
He doesn't own the trade, and never win. If whoever has the game decided to trade with me instead of him, for whatever reason, it doesn't matter, because it's his decision. Now tell me, what did I hijack?
see your -rep vote and you will know if you hijacked him or not
it will be removed withing 2 days if you got 60% of the votes and the voters are more than 100 users
final word, i'm not against you and not with him, i'm just saying the truth
and good luck for both of you , i wont reply anymore
Yeah, but I don't get mad at people lowballing me when I do it everytime appearently
the deal wasn't his, if you want I can apologize to him, but what would that do? If he wants to come to me get the issue(which is not even a thing, he was just mad at me getting something he wanted) he has to come to me
His -rep itself is against the rules. He can not review me without having traded with me, so he might aswell as apologize, whenever he agrees with those words, we can "resolve the issue"
Yeah I actually tend to add almost everyone I see something I might want and that they don't have a notice saying "don't ninja add me"
Also 'putted' hurts my soul
Hey agk90,
Hijack here in SteamTrades, is specifically under Trades section, which refers to trades threads.
- Do not hijack another user's trade for your own benefit, and keep your trades in their appropriate topics.
Read the rest of the points and you can see it only refers to threads.
The intent as far as I can tell is that you can't use another person thread to your own agenda.
This isn't what happened here - both traders commented on the same thread, which doesn't belong to any of them
so no hijacking occurred.
Maybe it's not polite or nice to try to get a trade when you already see the offer, but it's not against the site rules.
And -REP cannot be given to a trade that hadn't happened - meaning this is a false REP.
hello, Amorphism
as you can see from this photo https://ibb.co/h3YrZS , LucasCT already accepted a deal from harkeeshirvad
IF Andlu did make a better offer then its not hijacking, btw the dude Andlu posted on his thread and added him without getting any reply ( because he was sure that LucasCT will accept his(that) offer )
also as you can see, Andlu answer for that is ""I got the game first because you were slow"" is make no sense, as like he knows that he did hijack him or we are in a race
but it's not against the site rules.
so, what harkeeshirvad should do? report him to steam?
if someone brake the rule , other people will do
its like: i will brake the rules a leave you -rep for no reason, but you shouldnt leave _rep, because its against of the site rules
That picture shows harkeeshirvad saying he "added to discuss" - that's still not accepting a trade, it's accepting to talk. Accepting a trade is actually accepting it - include sentences like "I agree, here's the game/key/whatever" / "thanks, here what you asked for" / "wait, I'm sending you the key" etc.
And that was on his thread, Andlu didn't use harkeeshirvad thread to offer his own deal - if he did, that would be hijacking.
There are no rules against adding without discussion - I hate that people do that, but some people don't mind it and it's hardly a real offense. It's not a scam. You can call it rude (and I'll agree) but that's about it. It's etiquette, not laws.
Andlu see it as a race, and if you think about it - it is in a lot of aspects. Didn't you ever get 2 offers, very close in time, and had to choose who you're going to trade with? For example, I see it in Group Buys all the time. You comment and sometimes you get a reserved spot and sometimes a person just add the thread creator without asking and gives him PayPal for the games, bypassing everyone. Bottom line - it's for the trader own decision who's going to make the deal with. And you can clearly see this trader doesn't agree with harkeeshirvad here.
so, what harkeeshirvad should do? report him to steam?
No. There's nothing in the current system to do. But what he can't do is give -REP for a trade that never happened.
This is REP I will vote against, as everyone should, as it's clearly not a bad trade experience, just a bad experience.
Any -REP in this situation is inappropriate and should voted to be removed (both sides).
you have a good point view ,, yes i missed that "added to discuss"
anyway i can not say that what Andlu did is totally legit
because he always try to hijack, its not the first time
https://www.steamtrades.com/go/comment/ppx72qG
https://www.steamtrades.com/go/comment/nziph7u
Ain't gonna say those weren't, because those offers came off right alongside and I saw that they were interested in it, so I was willing to beat that offer, but as I said, this time it wasn't me just hijacking anything (also the main point is that hijacking is stealing someone's thread for something, not stealing someone's "offer", that they don't even own)
Beating an offer in a free marketplace - I not only see this as legitimate but as to be expected.
For this reason, and many others, a blacklist tool should be added. As oppose to active moderation which is corruptible by the nature of this site, this will be for anyone to use with any reason. So if Lafter thought you were rude for going after trades he already accepted he could just blacklist you and you won't be able to comment on his thread. Problem solved. Elegant and fast.
If you agreed with me about what hijacking means here, specifically on ST, you should use a different word since it doesn't fit and it's not in the guidelines.
In this example - this is a thread that belong to 1 person - Lafter - so they can't hijack from each other it since it doesn't belong to any of them in the first place.
In essence, the only thing we "got" here, as traders, is our trading threads. So the only thing that can be stolen is those threads.
A good example of hijacking is you making a thread selling Rise of the Tomb Raider for 5 keys (just a number for sake of example) and me, coming into your thread with a comment saying "I'm willing to give RotTR for 4 keys". This is a legit hijack.
Do you see the difference?
As for legitimacy in general - these are rules a group of people agreed upon, most of the time a majority, and most of the time for practical reasons. But they are still opinions. They became "legitimate" because there was a way to enforce them (by democracy, a tyrant, ruling party etc). But we're going into philosophy here :)
Without a system of moderation we won't get any policies - like your revised hijack definition - into place. If there was a way to become a mod here and lose your trading abilities maybe it can work. Right now being a trader and a mod is too high risk to easily get corrupted.
i can understand you example well its about thread hijack
but i'm talking about deals hijack ( stolen deal )
Maybe it's not polite or nice to try to get a trade when you already see the offer, but it's not against the site rules.
if its not against the site rules . then it should be
btw would you be happy if you were in harkeeshirvad situation?
If there was a way to become a mod here and lose your trading abilities maybe it can work. Right now being a trader and a mod is too high risk to easily get corrupted.
no, i dont want to be a mod here, i'm here for profit only ( legal right )
i try to help people not getting scammed, explain somethings to newbies since their is no mods here
also i believe that the mod should not be a trader, else he will use his power for his own benefits
I don't think you're using the right word, you can not hijack deals, the meaning of the word has nothing to do with this specifically, and "hijacking deals" aren't against the rules, so I stand on my word, that I didn't do anything wrong (if I was I'd be giving him a revenge rep now)
No, I wouldn't be happy, but I sure won't give someone -REP for it.
It's a free market system, mostly neutral and doesn't cater to your feelings or mine.
And I see that ultimately as a positive thing.
Imagine lowballing became illegitimate? You'd be getting tons of -REP. And most other big traders as well. If anything should dictate how the market function is practicality, not feelings.
As for "trade hijack", there's no such thing and as I've explained it's legitimate in this marketplace. As the thread owner you can decide to ignore those who don't follow your own standards, but can't dictate those standards to others.
An interesting story =]] I do not support anyone, but also wait to see how this incident ends? =]]
Happened to be as well... The community here is filled with bots . The bots vote against you and allow senseless reviews
Voted in your favor as well. You'd think that someone who tries to pull of something like that would at least TRY to be more discreet about using fake accounts (+0/-0 and icons all happen to be Asian females? Not suspicious at all...)
The nerve of some people... not only did they scam you out of your keys, they also fake rep bombed you. Voted in your favor. Hopefully you get those negatives removed.
You need not stop trading, people will understand they're fake. Btw, is he manipulating votes also?
i voted all to be removed, feel sorry for you man, i also have a false -rep on mine but sadly it wasnt removed
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